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Post by wqhd Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:23 pm

Hi,

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now, i use the MPC-HC media player. on my PC with using 1440p Monitor ( not using Projector or like that)
how do i use the MPC-HC - download from the regular homepage? No!

I use them include from your Package.
Link: https://codecguide.com/download_k-lite_codec_pack_standard.htm

and yes, after that, i include the Update File.
Link:https://codecguide.com/klcp_update.htm

then i changed in the Options the follow Steps:
Video renderer: madVR
Decoding Method: LAV Video - D3D11VA
= because i use a normal not very old PC and i thought, then the changing to madVR and D3D11VA are better.
Right?
Link: https://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-1679031

Edit:
+ i changed that:
For hardware acceleration:Options> Internal Filters> Video decoder> Hardware Acceleration>
"Hardware Device to use:" I changed from Automatic (Native) to my Graphic Card in the Drop Down list:"MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio"
because i use this card: Link: https://geizhals.de/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-super-gaming-x-trio-v372-248r-a2104313.html?hloc=at&hloc=de
the right way?

other Question is: are you/the Team working on include the new madVR Version Files in next Updates?
On the internet i read about the newer Files, (madVRhdrMeasure113 or madVRhdrMeasure223b) but, i thought, in your Package the old Files are include
(madVR from 2018 and "without" HDR with dynamic Color Mapping).
right?

i read some pages from this:

Link: https://www.krama.at/download/MadVR_Anleitung.pdf
Link: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/improving-madvr-hdr-to-sdr-mapping-for-projector.2954506/page-593
Link: http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-94-15795.html

Very Thanks for helping and to explain, what are the facts, you know.
Thanks for your great works.

Greetings from Germany

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Post by Admin Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:54 pm

You should leave the D3D11VA setting at "Automatic". Then it can use native mode (better performance). Selecting a GPU forces it to use slower copy-back mode.

The included madVR is the latest stable release and it already has dynamic tonemapping for HDR.

The madVR test builds are for testing experimental new tonemapping improvements. They are for a small group of testers. It has a huge amount of settings, and is difficult to configure. I don't recommend using it yet.

But you can easily use a madVR test build if you want to try it. Simply overwrite the files installed by the pack with the ones from a test build.

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Post by wqhd Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:23 pm

okay, thanks!
For hardware acceleration:Options> Internal Filters> Video decoder> Hardware Acceleration>
"Hardware Device to use:"
i changed back to "D3D11VA setting at "Automatic". Then it can use native mode (better performance)."

and okay, i did not try test madVR files - i just wait for updates on your homepage.
Link: https://codecguide.com/index.html

Thanks for your hard work.

by the way: have you any special tips/tricks to use the MPC-HC with Live-Streaming?
Network: from my sat receiver "Vu+ Uno 4k" - to watch Live Sport (Sky/DAZN) on my PC.

When i watch them with the VLC media player.
and before = i changed the network cache higher + set/enable on Werkzeuge / Settings / Video / Filter: Gradfun Video-Filter - and change to: Gradfun: Radius 32 Stärke 3,00
= then the Live Streams works fine and looks amazing.

When i use the MPC-HC (your Version from your Pack) then the Live Stream looks not good - Picture is not high quality and the players get pixel bugs, you know.
so, i hope in future i can use the MPC-HC (grom your Package) for "all" Contents.
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Post by Admin Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Gradfun is a debanding filter. That makes color transitions look less blocky.

You can find something similar in madvr setting:
processing > artifact removal > reduce banding artifacts

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Post by wqhd Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:39 pm

"You can find something similar in madvr setting:
processing > artifact removal > reduce banding artifacts"

i do not find these Points in my Options..

by the way: do you mean - in normal mode (watching Films) - then not do anything change in the Settings?

and only in that cases, when i watch my club in Live Sport, then, i have to change:
processing > artifact removal > reduce banding artifacts
?

i ask, because i search for the best Settings for the two Options to use them, you know.
for Film/serie and for live Streaming

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Post by Admin Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:55 pm

You can safely enable the Deband option in madvr for all content. It only has noticeable effect on bad quality content.

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Post by wqhd Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:44 am

i find it: in "Codec Tweak Tool":
Link/Picture: MPC-HC include the K-Lite Codec Pack F670db-1612917674
you think, that is the best quality Setting?

for high end PC / Gaming PC - for all content
= other Settings/Points (in other Options Stuff) you say, that i can safely change?
thanks for amazing tips.
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and other Settings to do, for have great Setting for Streaming?
to stream my Football Club Games..

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Post by Admin Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:42 pm

Setting it to High might be too much. You risk losing some detail in the video. Try with Low/Medium first.

Can you make a screenshot of how the streaming video looks with both VLC and MPC-HC?

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Post by wqhd Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:47 pm

@Admin: Link: MPC-HC include the K-Lite Codec Pack 253901-1612974953

you mean that is the best Choice? or both to "low" ?

...

Screenshot: Streaming "Sky Bundesliga HD 1"
with VLC media player vs. with MPC-HC:
Link: MPC-HC include the K-Lite Codec Pack F84077-1612975608

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Post by Admin Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:57 am

Low for "default debanding strength". The other one is already high by default, so that should be fine.

That video stream is interlaced.
Deinterlacing does not work in madVR when D3D11VA hardware acceleration is used. Try with DXVA2 instead.

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Post by wqhd Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:26 am

Hi,

i give the Streaming Project with MPC-HC a new try. (Change from D3D11VA hardware acceleration in using to DXVA2.)
After that, i post my Feelings here.
Tomorrow, my Club play his next Game - then i will try the Changing.

by the way, now, i find the new News.
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new Version for MPV-HC
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16.0.0 + 16.0.1 Update

Thank You!

Edit: Question:
the best Way is every time, to de-install MPC-HC full,
the install the newer Files?
or just start 16.0.0 exe + then 16.0.1 Update exe and the setting tool overwrite some Files from older Program Version, that´s it?

Edit:
i deleted all first. now i installed the new Version and the Update.
i opened mpc-hc and check in Info: MPC-HC version 1.9.9.2
so, fine....
just follow my Serie watching - but what is that?
last night i stopped my watching - the Picture was fine. (Brightness +30 - because the Madolorian 4k is very dark)
now, i play the same file - and the file starts at the end point from yesterday
"but" the Brightness is much more darker - i checked Brightness + 30 , the same, but much more darker feeling.
?

i set the same settings after install mpc-hc:
a) madVR
b) D3D11VA
c) shortkeys for setting Brightness higher or lower on my keyboard

that´s it.

? a bug for dark scenes? i start another File ( Serie "The OA")
= in dark Scenes, same result, much more too dark - in daytime Scenes much too bright:
okay with +30 sure, but the Problem is, only with +30 are the dark Scenes fine with brigth)

Screeshots: MPC-HC vs VLC:

Brightness +-0 (default):
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Brightness + 30 :
MPC-HC include the K-Lite Codec Pack B3872a-1613045180

yesterday with older mpc-hc files, Brightness +30 was fine - today it looks liitle bit too dark - so, today, Brightness maybe +70 looks fine
(in dark scenes), but then the Proble is in bright Scenes... Smile
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Post by Admin Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 pm

You can install new versions on top of your current pack.

I don't know if madvr remembers the brightness. It might start at neutral after restarting playback.

You can put tags in the filename to instruct madvr to automatically apply certain settings. For example:
Movie Name [brigthness=+30].mkv


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Post by wqhd Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:43 pm

ah okay, just download newer files, and copy/paste them over the existing Folder and Files.
okay.

Link: MPC-HC include the K-Lite Codec Pack 8d1417-1613083248

"remember the Brightness is no Problem."
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what i talked about, was, the Issue, that example The Madolorian and The OS Series hav so extrem much dark Setting, that only the manuell set to example Brightness +30 close the dark Issue.
in past i thought it would be a mPC-HC Program Issue/Bug.
but now, i watch a other Serie "Mystery Road" in 4k, and their Episodes are not in dark, so i can watch them with brightness +-0

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Post by Admin Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:54 pm

You are use the brightness setting in MPC-HC. That gets remebered, yes. There also is a brightness setting in madvr itself, which can be controlled with hotkeys.

The filename trick allow you to override the brightness for those files only.

It is correct that some series are very dark. It is not a bug in the player. They were really created this way. How bad it looks depends on the type and quality of your screen. For example an OLED screen has lower blacklevel than a LCD screen. That means you can see more detail in dark areas.

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Post by wqhd Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:08 pm

Thanks for the Tip.

Link: MPC-HC include the K-Lite Codec Pack 76870c-1613145804

now i use that Setting: Codec Tweak Tool / Configuration: DirectShow Filsters / Other Filters: madVR / user interface: keyboard shortcuts:
and use X and Y for increase or decrease the Brightness.

= and not longer use the shortcuts in the MPC-HC Program:
( View / Options / Shortcuts: Up Arrow and Down Arrow for increase or decrease the Brightness.)

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