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Post by ajwatcher on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:28 pm

Okay... here's the situation. I have two new computers, both use Windows 7. Both are essentially the same, software wise. There's only one difference: one is constantly connected to the internet, the other is very rarely came in contact with it, offline, but recently, i just updated its system, so everything is essentially the same. The Online Computer use the 9.2 version of the K Lite Codec, and the offline used the 10.6 version.

With the online computer with codec 9.2: everything works perfectly. Every movie of every type can be played perfectly and even better, the subtitles can be moved beneath the film screen.

With the Offline with codec 10.6: not every film can be played. I have a whole series of anime in wmv format, and the Media Player classic can't play it properly: the sound came out, but the anime looked like a stop movie. What's more, once the computer used Codec 9.2, and everything works somewhat properly. But then i upgraded to 10.5 and the problem start coming one after another. The same films whose subtitles can be moved outside the screen when played on the 9.3, now it won't budge in 10.6. Worse, the color of the subtitle turned from clean white to blurry green. It's very annoying.

Can somebody help?

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:13 am

There have been lots of changes to the subtitle renderer in MPC-HC recently. Something must have gotten broken.

Can you give me a link to where you downloaded those files? Weblink/torrent/newsgroup, all is fine. If the developers can easily reproduce the problems, then it will make fixing it a lot easier.

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by ajwatcher on Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:54 am

I downloaded them using Torrent from Nyaatorrents. The anime is Gundam Unicorn and Mr. ajikko. The link is: Gundam Unicorn: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=556066 and Ajikko: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=296045&showfiles=1

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:28 am

Thanks for the links. I will test them as soon as possible.

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:26 am

The problem with the WMV files is because I think those files are a bit broken and have wrong timestamps. The standard WMV splitter from Microsoft doesn't like those files. The solution is to use LAV Splitter instead. Same problem should occur with old version of the pack, as the Microsoft splitter has always been used by default.
MPC-HC options > Internal Filters > enable "WMV/ASF/DVR-MS"

The green color subtitles seems to be related to the splitter as well. Subtitles are green with LAV Splitter and white when using Haali splitter. I shall report it to the developers. Meanwhile, you can change the preferred splitter with the Codec Tweak Tool.

The "override placement" function in MPC-HC did not work at all in the old version. In the current version it works, but the subs get cropped when outside the video frame. That should get fixed soon.

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:03 am

The green color problem has been fixed by the developers. I should work correctly again in next version.

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by ajwatcher on Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:21 pm

Ummm... Thanks for the help in the WMV. I've changed the splitters and it worked good. The problem now is in the 32 bit mp4 files. If i changed the Splitter to Haali for the Gundam Unicorn film, the subtitle turned clean white. But if i try to play some other Mp4 movie files i get the "Media Player Classic could not render some of the pins in the graph" errors... I had to change it back to LAV Splitters and again the Green fuzzy sub is back. Help?

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:22 am

The 10.6.3 update solves the green subs:
http://codecguide.com/klcp_update.htm

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by ajwatcher on Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:24 pm

Okay.... downloaded it, updated it, and then i reset the whole setting to default. Everything works just fine. Thanks.

But i still a few question...

If the subtitle is from srt the subtitle can move beneath the video (on the black bar)

However, in the case of subtitles that are embedded on the film (as is the case with many animes) i have to use the default style to move them beneath the video, but as the result, the subtitle's style and animation were nullified.

Is there a way to move these stylized subtitles beneath the video WITHOUT reverting back to the Default Style? I ask this because in the previous version before the Update this was possible.

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:23 am

Normal SRT subtitles should work fine.

Anime videos usually contain SSA/ASS type subtitles. Those are rendered relative to the video frame by default, since they often need accurate positioning. You can render them relative to the video by unchecking this option: MPC-HC > Options > Subtitles > Default Style > "Position subtitles relative to video frame"

VobSub type subtitles (from DVDs) can not be moved below video. That is a bug in current MPC-HC. That will hopefully get fixed soon.

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by ajwatcher on Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:17 pm

My problem is that, the subtitles on those Anime Videos are sometimes animated and customized. I can move them underneath the Video if I changed it to default style, at that point, they became standard mode: no animation or color or anything.

My question is how do you move those customized subs beneath the video WITHOUT reverting it back to default style? Very Happy 

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:03 am

That is not possible. It would also break some videos, where translated text is overlayed on top of objects in the video.

You can make a feature request at the MPC-HC bug tracker:
https://trac.mpc-hc.org/report/9

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by ajwatcher on Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:08 pm

I got some magic happening. Somehow, all those ssa/ass subtitles just moved beneath the video, styles and all intact. I still don't know how it happened. Granted, it happened just like you said, with some animation overlapping and all that... but i can live with that.

Good luck with the Vob subs. In previous versions (ver. 9 point something), i remember the Vob Sub CAN be moved underneath the video. Maybe you can revisit the older version?

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Re: Subtitle Bug

Post by Admin on Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:30 pm

The developers of MPC-HC have already acknowledged the vobsub bug. We just need to wait for them to fix it. Using an old version is not an option, as that would lack many other improvements.

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